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it's broadening the base, perhaps lowering some taxes and overhauling that tax code. he said that would destroy american jobs. as the chief executive of a major u.s. corporation, do you agree with that? >> i think it's hard to decide whether it's going to destroy a job until you know what the specifics are. i do think you need to provide incentives for people to keep growing their business, to make more money. i think a really high progressive tax rate won't do that. i do think -- if you raise the rates by a couple points, it's not going to drive everybody crazy. i think what we have to do is get the government out of this industrial policy where every time we turn around, they want something done. they pass a tax law. they get people to invest in it. then they turn around and blame you for taking advantage of the tax law. they call it incentives. then they call it loopholes. i think we have to get the government out of that part of the business. that tax code has to be changed. >> you've got to pay your fair share. >> everybody should pay their fair share. >> allstat
it's broadening the base, perhaps lowering some taxes and overhauling that tax code. he said that would destroy american jobs. as the chief executive of a major u.s. corporation, do you agree with that? >> i think it's hard to decide whether it's going to destroy a job until you know what the specifics are. i do think you need to provide incentives for people to keep growing their business, to make more money. i think a really high progressive tax rate won't do that. i do think -- if you...
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so if we raise everyone's taxes, it'll be a $2 trillion tax increase. well, if we raise it only on the rich which the president wants to do and the democrats, that's 40% of the nation's income. so it'll be a $900 billion tax increase. it isn't about who the tax increase is on. that's simply envy and class warfare. it's about how much money you're going to take out of the private sector. $900 billion taken from the private sector is an enormous drain and will hurt economic growth. doesn't matter whether it's rich people, middle class or poor people. it's money taken out of the productive sector, the private sector, and given to the nonproductive sector, the government. >> finally, we started the conversation talking about the pledge. when senator graham does, though, indicate his commitment is softening, do you have words with him later on? does he get scolded behind the scenes? >> i don't do any scolding. it's not my job to tell other senators or congressman how to vote or what to think. i try to communicate what i think is the message of our party. the
so if we raise everyone's taxes, it'll be a $2 trillion tax increase. well, if we raise it only on the rich which the president wants to do and the democrats, that's 40% of the nation's income. so it'll be a $900 billion tax increase. it isn't about who the tax increase is on. that's simply envy and class warfare. it's about how much money you're going to take out of the private sector. $900 billion taken from the private sector is an enormous drain and will hurt economic growth. doesn't matter...
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pxp is a deal maker but ready to trade because capital gains taxes are going up. could be a fiscal cliff. the gulf is hotter than it's ever been even a few years ago it was ice cold. >> big story in the journal about exploration in this country. production 15-year high. brand new chapter here. look at the bottom of your screen. citigroup is cutting 11,000 jobs. we want to get to kayla tausche with more on that. >> we have a release that just hit the wire in citigroup where those jobs are coming from and a charge that the company plans to take in the fourth quarter because of these job cuts even though it expects them to generate $900 million in cost savings next year. interestingly this is the first move toward really slimming down citi by the new ceo. he has a quote in here saying these actions are logical next steps in citi's transformation and says they're committed to strategy that continues to leverage in the global banking market. if you go through the list of where these jobs are actually coming from, institutional clients group which is investment banking
pxp is a deal maker but ready to trade because capital gains taxes are going up. could be a fiscal cliff. the gulf is hotter than it's ever been even a few years ago it was ice cold. >> big story in the journal about exploration in this country. production 15-year high. brand new chapter here. look at the bottom of your screen. citigroup is cutting 11,000 jobs. we want to get to kayla tausche with more on that. >> we have a release that just hit the wire in citigroup where those...
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they are heaping on tax on top of tax to finance obamacare. i do not see this is social engineering. when the republicans say they are going to hold the line on raising rates? they are going to keep the regular rates where they are, we still have this surtax on the rates. the payroll tax goes up. we appreciate it. we will get you back soon. january 1st, is when it begins folks. anyway, will president obama have the courage to end the strike at two california ports that are scrare crippling the w economy? that is next up. if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. >>> cnbc's jane wells joins us now with the latest. >> they say it is not about the money. federal mediate or has been hir. ships are backing up. companies like home depot say it
they are heaping on tax on top of tax to finance obamacare. i do not see this is social engineering. when the republicans say they are going to hold the line on raising rates? they are going to keep the regular rates where they are, we still have this surtax on the rates. the payroll tax goes up. we appreciate it. we will get you back soon. january 1st, is when it begins folks. anyway, will president obama have the courage to end the strike at two california ports that are scrare crippling the...
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tax rates go up. >> boo. >> the payroll tax holiday goes away. [ buzzer ] unemployment benefits expire for most people -- [ baby crying ] and that's is not even accounting for the layoffs. that's just being cautious. put it together, unless we get a deal, which won't be bad news for the single biggest consumer play out there, which is retail. so even though we're having a real good holiday shopping season that we're seeing so far. pbh told us that. you expect retail to be in trouble. once the holidays ends, things can get a whole lot worse. not just the fiscal cliff. two weeks ago aggregate retail sales that showed a 3% decline. last friday's gdp indicated that growth and personal consumption decelerated to 1.4%. these are not encouraging numbers. incomes are flat and hurricane sandy shut down the northeast wealthiest parts of the country, for days and in some cases for weeks. even though we have had positive numbers from companies like home depot and lowes, you think it would be from the proverbial -- >> the house of fame. >> or at least the group flat lining. get that? isn't happenin
tax rates go up. >> boo. >> the payroll tax holiday goes away. [ buzzer ] unemployment benefits expire for most people -- [ baby crying ] and that's is not even accounting for the layoffs. that's just being cautious. put it together, unless we get a deal, which won't be bad news for the single biggest consumer play out there, which is retail. so even though we're having a real good holiday shopping season that we're seeing so far. pbh told us that. you expect retail to be in...
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rates, not just more in taxes, higher tax rates. but for some reason it must be higher rates, period. that's it. end of story. not because it is going to move the needle and fix our out of control debt, because it won't, not because it will put america on a fiscal sustainable path, because it won't. that is where the president has drawn his line in the sand. meanwhile, the president is now proposing a form of kicking the can down the road. raising taxes now with a promise to deal with entitlement reform and tax reform next year or beyond. that's the real worrisome proposal. here we are at the center of probably the most important fiscal conversation this country has had in decades. no one thinks we can continue on this spending path we are on without a day of reckoning coming sooner or later. why would we not seize the
rates, not just more in taxes, higher tax rates. but for some reason it must be higher rates, period. that's it. end of story. not because it is going to move the needle and fix our out of control debt, because it won't, not because it will put america on a fiscal sustainable path, because it won't. that is where the president has drawn his line in the sand. meanwhile, the president is now proposing a form of kicking the can down the road. raising taxes now with a promise to deal with...
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. >>> with the fiscal cliff approaching, people worry about having to pay a higher tax rate, i get that, but when you can snag high-quality stocks that yield more than 5%, i'm all ears. that's one of the reasons i want to tell you about health care trust of america, a newly minted real estate trust that owns medical office buildings. hga is a very defensive stock. unlike retail reits, it's levered to a sector, health care, that just does fine when the economy goes in recession. look, it's a real possibility if we go off the cliff. plus we have a limited supply of medical office space. this is a nice, steady business. let's take a closer look with scott peters. mr. peters, welcome to "mad money." >> thank you for having me. >> i try all the time to find companies that might be beneficiaries of the affordable health care act. i stumbled on you guys. you're the one? >> we think we are. we've been fortunate. health care systems are now running like businesses. with 30 to 40 million more insured coming up, they need the most affordable location to off those services. those are mobs, they're
. >>> with the fiscal cliff approaching, people worry about having to pay a higher tax rate, i get that, but when you can snag high-quality stocks that yield more than 5%, i'm all ears. that's one of the reasons i want to tell you about health care trust of america, a newly minted real estate trust that owns medical office buildings. hga is a very defensive stock. unlike retail reits, it's levered to a sector, health care, that just does fine when the economy goes in recession. look,...
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all of us get taxes withheld. if they're going to change what rate i'm going to be taxed at, they're going to have to change that table. that's not an overnight process. certainly, the treasury can't afford to let that go too long because everybody will be underwithheld. they'll get a big tax bill. there will be a riot among the people if that happens. what i'm watching is the treasury. if they get nervous enough, they'll ask them to change the tax tables. so far it looks like they smell a deal and haven't asked for it yet. you think we're going to get a deal? >> i think they may try to push it to the end. the other thing i'm watching for is the 17th when the president is due to take his family to hawaii. i don't think he wants to be in hawaii without a deal. something is going to come up. >> ron, what about you? >> i thought the resignation of senator jim demint, who was a staunch conservative, which was a surprise departure, tells me the republicans in many ways are throwing in the towel on this deal. he's a guy
all of us get taxes withheld. if they're going to change what rate i'm going to be taxed at, they're going to have to change that table. that's not an overnight process. certainly, the treasury can't afford to let that go too long because everybody will be underwithheld. they'll get a big tax bill. there will be a riot among the people if that happens. what i'm watching is the treasury. if they get nervous enough, they'll ask them to change the tax tables. so far it looks like they smell a deal...
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. >> and taxed. that's the point. in washington, d.c., 25% tax on the growers. 25% on distribution. 2 and the sales tax. does the price of the joint go up or down? >> that's washington state and not washington d.c. >> sorry. >> it's different in colorado. it's only 15% exise tax in colorado. the market needs to shake itself out. at this point there's a huge additional cost built into the price of marijuana based on the fact that it's sold in a criminal market. once it is licensed and regulated, the price will certainly go down to some extent. >> how confident are you -- you talk about setting up a regulated functioning market for weed as if you just snapped your fingers. how do you make sure this stays out of the hands of those who are under 21? >> well, we've seen in colorado already a fully regulated market that is serving 120,000 medical marijuana patients and no reports of any marijuana being diverted from those stores to teens and moreover while the use of marijuana among teens has gone up 11% n
. >> and taxed. that's the point. in washington, d.c., 25% tax on the growers. 25% on distribution. 2 and the sales tax. does the price of the joint go up or down? >> that's washington state and not washington d.c. >> sorry. >> it's different in colorado. it's only 15% exise tax in colorado. the market needs to shake itself out. at this point there's a huge additional cost built into the price of marijuana based on the fact that it's sold in a criminal market. once it is...
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we pay taxes overseas. we pay taxes here. we pay other forms of tax as well. i think that story hasn't been told. the fiscal terms that are in place here for our industry, for example, if punitive taxes were imposed on our industry, would impact our investment. i hope that's not where we're headed. i think there is a case to be made that we pay our fair share of taxes, and i work hard to try to communicate that. >> talk to us about an energy policy. what would you like to see in the election is behind us. what should a proper energy policy look like to do everything you're saying, create jobs and, in fact, take advantage of this opportunity that america has. >> i think the energy policy sometimes is made more difficult than it needs to be. to me, there are three things th that you need focus on. do you want affordable energy, do you want secure energy, and the environmental characteristics you want. we talk about those one at a time. we need to talk about those together. >> let me ask you a few questions about from the investment community. i guess the biggest
we pay taxes overseas. we pay taxes here. we pay other forms of tax as well. i think that story hasn't been told. the fiscal terms that are in place here for our industry, for example, if punitive taxes were imposed on our industry, would impact our investment. i hope that's not where we're headed. i think there is a case to be made that we pay our fair share of taxes, and i work hard to try to communicate that. >> talk to us about an energy policy. what would you like to see in the...
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i'm not for tax hikes. if you buy into the president's story and over half of the country did, i think his actions are not very courageous in my opinion my opinion. i urge him and all of those big business leaders that back the president to call him right now. call treasury secretary geithner right now and say, make our dividend tax cuts retroactive because we just sinned but we really feel sorry for it. back to you. >> it is possible that senegal has views on taxes that conform with this move. maybe his views leading him to democrat support have to do with education or the supreme court or gun control or foreign policy. not everybody is a single issue voter. >> no. not everybody is and, you know, give him the benefit of the doubt. let's give him the benefit of the doubt. take a step back. the issue is whether it's warren buffet worth 50 million pointing down at us and saying, hum. maybe the threshold should be 500,000 instead of 250,000. i don't know about you. but when i see the automatic pilot, and thank
i'm not for tax hikes. if you buy into the president's story and over half of the country did, i think his actions are not very courageous in my opinion my opinion. i urge him and all of those big business leaders that back the president to call him right now. call treasury secretary geithner right now and say, make our dividend tax cuts retroactive because we just sinned but we really feel sorry for it. back to you. >> it is possible that senegal has views on taxes that conform with this...
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or dividend tax as opposed to much higher because we know that taxes will probably go higher in 2013. oracle is accelerating payments of 2013 dif dens. they're going to pay second quarter, third quarter and fourth quarter dividends this month. gordon, what has that done to trading and investing environment? all these special dividends. oracle is doing it now, second quarter, third quarter dividends this month so investors can get taxed at the 2012 dividend rate. >> it's bigger than that because it's not only the corporation themselves but corporate executives. cashing out options looking for preferential tax treatment there as well. that's just prudent corporate management. you can't fault them. stocks paying special dividends have been outperforming the spx in the time period since this started happening. in some ways in the convoluted way it's been a positive for the market. >> oracle is down, though o this news. >> oracle is down right now. gordon, you make a really good point. that's where the performance has been, the conditions paying these special dividends. when i see an anno
or dividend tax as opposed to much higher because we know that taxes will probably go higher in 2013. oracle is accelerating payments of 2013 dif dens. they're going to pay second quarter, third quarter and fourth quarter dividends this month. gordon, what has that done to trading and investing environment? all these special dividends. oracle is doing it now, second quarter, third quarter dividends this month so investors can get taxed at the 2012 dividend rate. >> it's bigger than that...
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i would say, one, we need to get a better tax code, a much more pro-growth, pro-markets, pro-jobs tax code. we need to encourage economic trade with other countries. i mean really significant economic trade. one of the things i will give president obama credit for is he was able to get through the three free trade agreements that were negotiated by president bush at the end of his term and did not go through congress until president obama did that later on in his term. that's commendable. i'd like to see a lot more of that. the third would be a much more cautious dwrie regulation, the kind of regulation that actually works. more of a cost benefit analysis approach. the fourth is spending control. we jumped from 21% of gdp to 25% of gdp in spending in one year. that means we've been running a 9% deficit each year. we just can't sustain that. even if we increase taxes, if we tax the rich, what we're talking about is adding $900 billion to the debt every year instead of $1 trillion. it's not very long before you're italy under those circumstances pmplgts that's for sure. ed, good to see
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a good plan would be less taxes going up than more taxes going up. at this point, even a bad plan might be better than no plan. >> austin, it's clear from this jobs report the economy is stuck in second gear. what's it going to take to get to a higher gear right now, do you think? >> i think we got to get the growth rate up in the economy. certainly europe's not any help. what's happening in china and japan is not any help. then you add on top of it what's coming out of washington. i don't think you should get your hopes up about figuring it out before the end of this year. i think there's a pretty deept chance we go over the cliff and then try to sort it out in the beginning of the year. >> lovely. >> joe, when did 146,000 jobs become good? have we become so pessimistic -- have our expectations come so low we're cheering 146,000 when we should be well over 200? >> plus the downward revisions for the previous two months. >> although, those revisions were almost all in government. mandy makes a good point. 150,000 a month, which has been the average o
a good plan would be less taxes going up than more taxes going up. at this point, even a bad plan might be better than no plan. >> austin, it's clear from this jobs report the economy is stuck in second gear. what's it going to take to get to a higher gear right now, do you think? >> i think we got to get the growth rate up in the economy. certainly europe's not any help. what's happening in china and japan is not any help. then you add on top of it what's coming out of washington....
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revenue through tax reform, that means lower taxes, but tax reform, $800 billion. >> closing of loopholes and capping deductions. >> right. health savings, $600 billion. mandatory savings, $300. further discretionary savings, $300 billion. house republican counter getting you $202 trillion compared to the white house offer of $1.67 trillion, bill. >> we identified both sides now. >> and we begin. >> let's get them in the middle and find some middle ground there, somewhere, somewhere, in time. we'll see. meantime, market taking it in stride as we head to the close with 50 minutes left in the trading day. the dow down 41 points. at the low of the day we were down 56. >> we're going to start hearing the impact of sandy as we approach the holiday shopping season. sandy stimulated sales of new cars last month. see which automaker drove away with bigger gains, ford or gm. >> then pain at the pump. our next guest is warning a new ethanol fuel blend that not only costs more but adds to the cost of food could damage your car and void your warranty. really? you're going to want to hear this coming
revenue through tax reform, that means lower taxes, but tax reform, $800 billion. >> closing of loopholes and capping deductions. >> right. health savings, $600 billion. mandatory savings, $300. further discretionary savings, $300 billion. house republican counter getting you $202 trillion compared to the white house offer of $1.67 trillion, bill. >> we identified both sides now. >> and we begin. >> let's get them in the middle and find some middle ground there,...
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back to bush years tax cuts. you can get another piece out of that capping deductions, somebody has to come forward and say we have to reduce medicare spending all thee parties are net negative on raising income taxes for everybody. all thee parties net negative on raising the requirement atireme. rediscussi reducing net spending, the democrats are a little better on that. >> you thought it was amazing that 30% of the public have not heard about the fiscal cliff. that didn't raise very high on major issues that are out there. >> the other thing i wanted to ask you about is the apple situation, after that performance yesterday, you talked last week about how you talked about the people that were selling this week. do you think that's really what's happening in this situation? >> i do. whether it's that side which is kind of the negative side, you break the piggy bank, you want to beat capital gameins, you wa to beat the tax man. i think both those sides of the equation may have a lot more horsepower than people th
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. >> is that because of the tax -- not the tax, the rate cut. >> well, right. they did have the rate cut. the day they have the rate cut the aussie dollar rose. you would think there would be some momentum in that. there really wasn't any momentum. that concerned me a bit. >> we were talking about apple. we talked about it last night. see what we had to do on the set last night. >> fundamentals, revenues slowing. earnings growth is slowing. potentially margins have been peaking. >> that is something that if somebody put that chart in front of you and didn't tell you what it was, you would not be buying it. you'd say, that rally is something to be sold. >> i will say that apple is much more than a chart, apple is an ecosystem. apple is something that people love in terms of its products and so, therefore, why can't it transcend just being a chart with a technical breakdown? >> the emotion, it's amazing the emotion that this stock brings out in folks. we could say something negative about cat tractor. we'll talk about freeport mak and nobody will bat an eye. if y
. >> is that because of the tax -- not the tax, the rate cut. >> well, right. they did have the rate cut. the day they have the rate cut the aussie dollar rose. you would think there would be some momentum in that. there really wasn't any momentum. that concerned me a bit. >> we were talking about apple. we talked about it last night. see what we had to do on the set last night. >> fundamentals, revenues slowing. earnings growth is slowing. potentially margins have been...
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on real after-tax tax basis, it is a much different story. >> yeah. you get a cap tamm gains and -- should you sell the share? capital gains taxes going up? dividend stocks aren't going to be worth as much. how do you -- is it already reflected? >> well, from a capital gains standpoint yes, you should take your gains. from a dividend perspective -- the fed is already screwing savers by having rates at zero. the government will screw savers more by taking more out of your dividends. unfortunately savers are going to have no choice but to own dividend paying stocks. >> joe is not paying attention. buy lottery tickets and open a moe's franchise. that's what we should do. >> someone tweeted i have moe's tortilla chips. >> up next, up next -- thanks, peter. gop criticizing the president's proposals for taxes and spending increases. dems telling the republicans to bring their ideas to the table. can the two sides get together and get a deal done? we ask ed rendell and judd gregg about that and much more "squawk box" is coming right back after a break. for m
on real after-tax tax basis, it is a much different story. >> yeah. you get a cap tamm gains and -- should you sell the share? capital gains taxes going up? dividend stocks aren't going to be worth as much. how do you -- is it already reflected? >> well, from a capital gains standpoint yes, you should take your gains. from a dividend perspective -- the fed is already screwing savers by having rates at zero. the government will screw savers more by taking more out of your dividends....
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>> the tax code says sell apple. if you own it in a taxable account, i feel you've been given a fantastic opportunity to pay a lower tax rate on your profits than you will in a few week's time. given that i think many people own apple in their taxable or "mad money" accounts, it might be in the cross hairs of the fiscal cliff. you combine the greatest capital gains generator out there of all time in the change of tax code of uncertain proportions, it's almost impossible to justify not selling. those people then impact the chart and the chart is signaled code red and causes the institutions to worry that, perhaps, the stock can bring down the performance, which brings in still more selling. >> sell, sell, sell! >> it's a vicious cycle down. it makes a ton of sense. let's talk about what can happen here. year end, 2013, it will be too late to sell to get the tax break. we'll find out, i believe, that apple's ipad sales are through the roof, including the mini, the iphone will have bigger sales than thought in the u.s.
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the amt is an arcane tax, unlike payroll tax withholding, won't be visible to those it has ensnared until the end of the year. it could cause the average taxpayer to pay an additional $3,000 when she least expects it. talk about a nightmare. finally i'm worried about the possibility that the new austerity becomes a permanent austerity. simply because the president believes his election means people voted for higher taxes for the wealthy. and the republicans believe they are off the hook because they took the grover norquist no new tax pledge. in that scenario, rising above, my pin means absolutely nothing. rise above what? the oath you gave to your voters? to these hardened partisans to rise above means rising above compromise. compromise is bad. right? i mean they think compromise is bad. they want to rise above it. they think it's a higher ground than not compromise. what's amazing to me is that when congress came up with this ridiculous cliff idea, there were legislators who believed that if these draconian changes were to become law, it would be so obvious we would be thrown into rece
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be a delayed start to 2013 tax season. in programming its systems, the irs considered the congress would patch the amt. without another patch, the amt could hit as many as 33 million people for the 2012 tax year and it will take them some time to reset all of those forms. >>> and squawk is in session thorn with congressman peter roskam, member of the ways and means committee. thanks for joining us. >> good to be here. >> one of your quotes is that house republicans are prepared to get the yes, but not prepared to get to foolish. and 1.6 you would think is foolish. 800 people think maybe that's doable. could it just look like this, i'll cut to the chase, we go up -- we start at 500,000 and above. we go up 2 percentage points to 37 and do a couple things on deductions that are politically possible to do to get to a trillion dollars. if the president were to come down to a trillion, could we go up -- would republicans go up to a trillion in that. >> i'll give you a straight hans, but inhan answer, but in a minute. let me get
be a delayed start to 2013 tax season. in programming its systems, the irs considered the congress would patch the amt. without another patch, the amt could hit as many as 33 million people for the 2012 tax year and it will take them some time to reset all of those forms. >>> and squawk is in session thorn with congressman peter roskam, member of the ways and means committee. thanks for joining us. >> good to be here. >> one of your quotes is that house republicans are...
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and tax increases. >> yeah. speaking of which, bob, at least over the weekend, it looks like the white house has moved their piece, and they are not going to move again until the republicans table something. how do you see these things going down? we've got three weeks to play with here before everybody really does leave for the holidays. are you optimistic? >> i'm optimistic by nature. and i have a feeling that when the economic future of the country is at stake or at least the near-term economic future of the country, people are going to rise above and do the right thing. and i think the republicans, frankly, are going to have to accept some tax increases. the wealthy are going to have to accept some tax increases, even if only temporary. but on the other side, there's got to be massive spending cuts and entitlement programs, because you can't have the -- a minor revenue increase without a decrease in spending. and then again, my favorite solution would be a temporary national sales tax, and a federal fuel tax
and tax increases. >> yeah. speaking of which, bob, at least over the weekend, it looks like the white house has moved their piece, and they are not going to move again until the republicans table something. how do you see these things going down? we've got three weeks to play with here before everybody really does leave for the holidays. are you optimistic? >> i'm optimistic by nature. and i have a feeling that when the economic future of the country is at stake or at least the...
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who wants to start a business without knowing what the capital gains tax will be, tax code rate. plus the whole office supply industry has been shrinking for awhile, not just office max but office depot and staples as company shifted away from using lots of paper towards digital solutions like apple ipads. meanwhile there's not that much demand for the technological devices some of the companies sell which have become increasingly commoditysed. just witness hideous performance of best buy. despite all these big perceived big picture, office max has been rallying like crazy. stock has run up 122% for year. and it's fallen from 4.26 from the beginning of august to nearly $10. right now where the stock is less than a point off its 52-week high. what the heck, right? five months ago this stock had been left for dead. but now somehow office max has managed to find new life and become a monster good performer. just when you expect the company to be take it on the chin. what the heck is really happening at this company? could it be that perhaps we're simply wrong about the sector? maybe
who wants to start a business without knowing what the capital gains tax will be, tax code rate. plus the whole office supply industry has been shrinking for awhile, not just office max but office depot and staples as company shifted away from using lots of paper towards digital solutions like apple ipads. meanwhile there's not that much demand for the technological devices some of the companies sell which have become increasingly commoditysed. just witness hideous performance of best buy....
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worried about having to pay more tax? hold your horses. you may be able to earn up to $300,000 and not have to hand over more cash to the irs. want to know how, head to cnbc.com to find out more. meanwhile what's on the agenda in the united states today, the jobs report and the first read on december consumer sentiment out at 9:55, forecast call for sentiment to slip done nearly three points from november and at 3:00 p.m., we get october consumer credit. we'll take a short break. still to come, italian parliament is in turmoil. berlusconi's party taken back support from the current government. but could this mean the return of the former prime minister to politics. we'll get more from our correspondent. having you ship my gifts couldn't be easier. well, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sorry about that. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. ♪ mom? dad? guys? [ engine turns over ] [ engine revs ] ♪ he'll be fine. [ male anno
worried about having to pay more tax? hold your horses. you may be able to earn up to $300,000 and not have to hand over more cash to the irs. want to know how, head to cnbc.com to find out more. meanwhile what's on the agenda in the united states today, the jobs report and the first read on december consumer sentiment out at 9:55, forecast call for sentiment to slip done nearly three points from november and at 3:00 p.m., we get october consumer credit. we'll take a short break. still to come,...
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first go ahead and raise my taxes. you can't collect them until april 15 and i will be gone. i'll stop waiting for microsoft shares to hit $40. it is never going to happen and we can stop worrying about it and the markets will avoid crashing with the inevitable election of president kardashian. >> the policies coming out of that administration may be better than the ones right now. >> that was hash tag smooth on that political rant. >> personal hygiene. lindsay lohan bounce. >> you don't have to worry about personal hygiene. don't shower that morning. what is the difference. >> die smelly? >> you guys have a loincloth around the house? >> i hope guy does practice personal hygiene until the 20th. >> exactly. >> jane, good to see you. jane wells joining us from the west coast. next on fast is the smart phone revolution just getting started? the most closely watched is making a bold prediction and getting a lot of play on twitter. we have your tweets next. a passionate belief, and the foundation on which merrill lynch has been built. today, our financial advisors lead from a new
first go ahead and raise my taxes. you can't collect them until april 15 and i will be gone. i'll stop waiting for microsoft shares to hit $40. it is never going to happen and we can stop worrying about it and the markets will avoid crashing with the inevitable election of president kardashian. >> the policies coming out of that administration may be better than the ones right now. >> that was hash tag smooth on that political rant. >> personal hygiene. lindsay lohan bounce....
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why double tax capital? anyway, thank you, danielle hughes, we appreciate it. >>> there is a major stir tonight over a cartoon narrated by actor ed asner. check it out. >> over time, rich people decided they weren't rich enough, so they came up with ways to get richer. the first way was to tax cuts. they said why should i care about other nonrich people? >> all right, this here is just an attack on free enterprise. shame on mr. asner, who's a good actor. it's an attack on success. it's an attack on capital itch. it's also an attack on good taste, although we didn't show the most vulgar part. where does a successful actor like this get off saying this kind of thing? what does he know about capitalism anyway as he makes his bucks, and by the way, this entire cartoon was sponsored by the teachers union. what a shocking surprise there. they, too, higher taxes on the rich, knock down free market capitalism, go up against free enterprise. you know, when is this left wing stuff going to end? i guess the answer is n
why double tax capital? anyway, thank you, danielle hughes, we appreciate it. >>> there is a major stir tonight over a cartoon narrated by actor ed asner. check it out. >> over time, rich people decided they weren't rich enough, so they came up with ways to get richer. the first way was to tax cuts. they said why should i care about other nonrich people? >> all right, this here is just an attack on free enterprise. shame on mr. asner, who's a good actor. it's an attack on...
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are not exposed to tax rates. it's a name by name basis and we like in part for its own defense business but also gulf stream is a very attractive asset that has a lot of exposure to the emerging markets with a big backlog. >> wondering, in terms of whether we go over the fiscal cliff. he says if we go over the cliff for even a matter of two months, we could see unemployment tick as high as 11%. and even though you're a long-term investor, at some point, you may look at the macro environment and say it's time to reduce some positions, at what point do you reach that tipping point? >> that's a great point. i'd be very sproized if two months resulted in an unemployment increase from 8% to 10%. i find that hard to reconcile. if we go over the fiscal cliff and there's no deal for the course of the year, we will absolutely be in another recession, no question about that. but going over the cliff for a month, it will hurt confidence, it will keep businesses on the sidelines, investors on the sidelines. it will hurt the
are not exposed to tax rates. it's a name by name basis and we like in part for its own defense business but also gulf stream is a very attractive asset that has a lot of exposure to the emerging markets with a big backlog. >> wondering, in terms of whether we go over the fiscal cliff. he says if we go over the cliff for even a matter of two months, we could see unemployment tick as high as 11%. and even though you're a long-term investor, at some point, you may look at the macro...
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income taxes, that we haven't paid more attention to property, state, local, and sales taxes? >> one big reason is this data doesn't exist. we created a model so that we could simulate the way that this tax burden is distributed. there's go government entity that looks at the burden of taxation. there is no centralized data. so people really miss this point. they don't appreciate the extent to which state and local taxes are interacting with federal taxes and really consuming the savings that people otherwise might be getting. it's just a new way of looking at it. >> and there's something that i guess is being called housers law where the idea being no matter where tax rates are, tax revenues as a percentage of gdp are going to remain constant or relatively constant over time. have you been getting pushed back to your story about that concept conce concept? >> well, it's important to understand that's true. whether or not it's a law is another question. it's absolutely true that they've remained pretty stable. the point here is the distribution has changed. relatively speaking
income taxes, that we haven't paid more attention to property, state, local, and sales taxes? >> one big reason is this data doesn't exist. we created a model so that we could simulate the way that this tax burden is distributed. there's go government entity that looks at the burden of taxation. there is no centralized data. so people really miss this point. they don't appreciate the extent to which state and local taxes are interacting with federal taxes and really consuming the savings...
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a jump in tax rates means a huge chunk of change. agents and players definitely taking notice in this. a lot of people are telling me it is not priority one because it is not so easy to get up front money in baseball which only gives big bonuses to draft picks. >> there could be some agents that will try to get some of that money front loaded but remember teams are only able to do so much. they are not going to for instance the b.j. upton deal signed with atlanta it is not as though his agent will get $75 million upfront. >> let's talk about upton. he just signed a $75 million deal with atlanta. he got 3 million bucks in a bonus payable by december 1. it jumps right off the page. upton's former teammate signed an extension this week. part of the deal included a $1 million bonus. this is not the baseballb way. the sport is more known for deferring money so it is obvious that the fiscal cliff is a big factor. >> amazing. fiscal cliff is everywhere. thank you so much. brian shactman. >>> it is not a doung grade to a specific company but
a jump in tax rates means a huge chunk of change. agents and players definitely taking notice in this. a lot of people are telling me it is not priority one because it is not so easy to get up front money in baseball which only gives big bonuses to draft picks. >> there could be some agents that will try to get some of that money front loaded but remember teams are only able to do so much. they are not going to for instance the b.j. upton deal signed with atlanta it is not as though his...
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the wealthy, higher taxes for the wealthy. that of course a major sticking point in the negotiations. that moved the dow up earlier but we don't have anything specific right now. these are all still rumors. apple, just a lot of things going on today. i believe there was an at&t investor conference where one of the executives at at&t gave sales figures for the smartphone sales for the first two months of the quarter saying sales would be flat implying they'd be flat from the same period last year. smartphones, which include overall smartphone sales like samsung and iphone sales. but i think some were a little disappointed to hear that, were hopeful it might be stronger. there are also concerns the ipad share of the tablet market might be slipping. and of course some firms raising margin requirements as well. >>> the leadership group here, our banks, a lot of analysts got what they wanted, citigroup cutting jobs, 11,000 jobs. cutting expenses. what a sad reason for the market and financials to be up today on that kind of headlin
the wealthy, higher taxes for the wealthy. that of course a major sticking point in the negotiations. that moved the dow up earlier but we don't have anything specific right now. these are all still rumors. apple, just a lot of things going on today. i believe there was an at&t investor conference where one of the executives at at&t gave sales figures for the smartphone sales for the first two months of the quarter saying sales would be flat implying they'd be flat from the same period...
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remember all those concerns about higher taxes on dividend? the dow utilities bottomed several weeks ago. okay, it is not a gigantic move but the slope has been upward. utilities are among market leaders today. all right, fractional but it is a fairly broad advance. what about those concerns about the mortgage interest desucduct? nice little advance in some of the home builders. pending home sales above expectations. the market believes some kind of deal is coming and that it is going to be substantive. if it doesn't happen, then we're all going to pay the price in the next month or so. >> a lot of prices to be paid. >>> as the market is clearly blowing in the breeze with every single comment from both sides of the political aisle, we wonder whether or not these comments are anything more than just hot air. eamon javers, what say you? >> well, there's a lot of hot air up here on capitol hill, mandy. i just had the chance -- not that he was talking about hot air, but i just spoke briefly with former republican vice presidential candidate paul r
remember all those concerns about higher taxes on dividend? the dow utilities bottomed several weeks ago. okay, it is not a gigantic move but the slope has been upward. utilities are among market leaders today. all right, fractional but it is a fairly broad advance. what about those concerns about the mortgage interest desucduct? nice little advance in some of the home builders. pending home sales above expectations. the market believes some kind of deal is coming and that it is going to be...
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the white house wanting to continue the payroll tax credit or similar policy. the white house saying that it wants a permanent increase in the debt limit and pushing a one-year extension of jobless benefits plans. this one will be the kicker, i think, to any deal that might or might not get hashed out on capitol hill. "the wall street journal" reporting that republican aides are saying that the white house would like to see at least $50 billion in new spending to spur the economy. so in a debate we're seeing over spending cuts, "the wall street journal" now reporting at the top of this hour that the white house would like to see $50 billion in new spending. that's a new one. that might figure into a little bit of the rankor we saw on capitol hill. it goes against what harry reid told me today. i asked the democratic leader in the senate whether or not geithner had made a specific new offer today. he told me no, no new offer from geithner today. he said that the president had made the democrats' offer two weeks ago. clearly, the details in here are not going to
the white house wanting to continue the payroll tax credit or similar policy. the white house saying that it wants a permanent increase in the debt limit and pushing a one-year extension of jobless benefits plans. this one will be the kicker, i think, to any deal that might or might not get hashed out on capitol hill. "the wall street journal" reporting that republican aides are saying that the white house would like to see at least $50 billion in new spending to spur the economy. so...
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tax reform which we definitely need. there's no two ways about it. >> congressman pascrell, thank you again. >>> breaking news from the bond market. you saw the headlines cross moments ago. $30 billion in 7-year notes up for auction. rick santelli, we have a bid to cover ratio of 2.81%. >> that 2.81% is above the 10-auction average. this is around 2.74%. actually, close to the 40% 106-auction average. directs -- 19.7% that is a record high since they brought the 7-year back in february of '09. i can't find a higher direct bid. the yield -- 1.045%, right in the middle of the bid offer we give this auction a b-plus, solid auction. 99 billion is now behind us and considering the issues of fiscal cliff we're going to be looking to handicap a whole lot more auctions over the next several years. back to you. >> absolutely. >>> breaking news now. it concerns microsoft. let's go out to jon fortt. jon? >> hey, sue. microsoft has officially announced the pricing for surface pro. that's the version of microsoft's tablet that runs a
tax reform which we definitely need. there's no two ways about it. >> congressman pascrell, thank you again. >>> breaking news from the bond market. you saw the headlines cross moments ago. $30 billion in 7-year notes up for auction. rick santelli, we have a bid to cover ratio of 2.81%. >> that 2.81% is above the 10-auction average. this is around 2.74%. actually, close to the 40% 106-auction average. directs -- 19.7% that is a record high since they brought the 7-year back...
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taxes as ordinary individuals. am i right about that or wrong? >> yes and no. the point being if the fiscal cliff you look at china, eurozone, it is all coming together to create an environment of total uncertainty for a lot of the biggest investors in the world. pension funds in the u.s. are trying to manage the volatility of the funding levels, generating return. think of where the average u.s. pension fund is trying to again rate a return from 6.5% to 8%. >> it's not so much that they're concerned about a looming tax hike that might affect their portfolios as it is about the uncertainty that the cliff represents, that chinese economy represents, and that europe represents. >> totally. so they have two decisions. on the risk hedging they have to look where yield is going worldwide. that's the price of ensuring their liabilities. at the same time diversification is the other avenue, generating return. rather than awarding historically high allocations toward equities, move towards alternatives. >> not necessarily
taxes as ordinary individuals. am i right about that or wrong? >> yes and no. the point being if the fiscal cliff you look at china, eurozone, it is all coming together to create an environment of total uncertainty for a lot of the biggest investors in the world. pension funds in the u.s. are trying to manage the volatility of the funding levels, generating return. think of where the average u.s. pension fund is trying to again rate a return from 6.5% to 8%. >> it's not so much that...
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but even then if you want to do tax cuts to stimulate the economy, why are we doing tax krets. that's been on the table forever. >> why do you think we're not? >> i honesti honestly don't kno. investment trax credits are things we have precedent for in the uk and other countries. they're business friendly. if you want to be business friendly, which most of us do, they're inherently temporary because you're trying to get people to move forward. >> it is strange when david cameron spoke last week, saying we're putting growth in every ministry, there is going to be a growth agenda. so all this talk, but not followed up. >> doesn't seem to be a company hair rent strategy at all. and i can't pretend to know what internal negotiations lead to that but a little bit of broadband hear and get off wealth incentive there is is not growth strategy. growth strategy is recognizing the uk has had an enormous shortfall of investment are and it existed even in the boom years. and has gotten worse since 2008. the financial system is a major part of it. and so you have to think about what it is t
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i wonder, are there enough members of the gop who study higher tax pornography with that seduce stuff? maybe this weekend have the impure thoughts thing we ought to call old-time supreme court justice potter stewart. "i will know it when i see it." sometimes i feel bad for the speaker, speaker boehner. he's caught between the elected obama and the ufrn elected norquist crossfire. there's not a lot of room to maneuver in that space. tuesday we've got two big investor meetings. first there's dell world. dell world? i like kirby's fourth world. there's dell world. is the risk taken out of this one now? it's down so low. or does it even matter? deleveraged buyout as goldman hinted in its sell-buy research upgrade this week? second, there's a -- how many times can you tell us that monster drinks aren't any worse and may actually be better than a cup of joe from starbucks? let us count the ways that this analyst meeting slash lovefest, they will tell you that there's no better way to preserve your heart than to drink a taste of monster every morning. now, analysts will be plenty hopped up w
i wonder, are there enough members of the gop who study higher tax pornography with that seduce stuff? maybe this weekend have the impure thoughts thing we ought to call old-time supreme court justice potter stewart. "i will know it when i see it." sometimes i feel bad for the speaker, speaker boehner. he's caught between the elected obama and the ufrn elected norquist crossfire. there's not a lot of room to maneuver in that space. tuesday we've got two big investor meetings. first...
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is it because of capital gains taxes? is it because of slowdowns in smartphones? is it alien invasion? what is it? >> it is mayans -- i don't know. i'll tell you that i think the way to look at this is, everyone's getting very, very dramatic because it's a big price stock. it is $700 down to $500 or $550. it looks like it is this huge thing. in the meantime there have been ten of these 30% corrections in apple's run-up in the last five or six years. it is a very regularly occurring thing. it is just that it started from a very high base. the thing to keep in mind, there is going to be selling pressure on this stock just for the fact that he ever one's got big gains in it and there is uncertainty about what the tax rate will be on capital gains next year. nobody should be surprised by this. what's very encouraging, in the wake of this stock coming down $150 a share and being such a huge weighting in the nasdaq and the s&p, the markets have essentially digested this move. other stocks have gone up. yesterday is a great example. i think if you're bullish on this mark
is it because of capital gains taxes? is it because of slowdowns in smartphones? is it alien invasion? what is it? >> it is mayans -- i don't know. i'll tell you that i think the way to look at this is, everyone's getting very, very dramatic because it's a big price stock. it is $700 down to $500 or $550. it looks like it is this huge thing. in the meantime there have been ten of these 30% corrections in apple's run-up in the last five or six years. it is a very regularly occurring thing....
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last year the payroll tax cut, that got extended, scott, on december 23rd. this is going to go right down to december 21st in avoiding the fiscal cliff. don't think anything differently. >> today one of the streets most bullish market watchers is is making a pretty bold prediction saying the s&p 500 is going to rally 17% by the end of next year. tony dwire joins us now. good to have you. >> thanks. >> i'm wondering how you're dealing with your predictions and your forecasting on the markets when you have such gyrations due to what's going on with the fiscal cliff. >> well, truthfully, you know, hopefully what makes me a little bit different on the street, i really try not to guess. what they're going to say, it's impossible. what i fall back to is what's the tactical outlook? we had a nice 5% move off of that low. our view is you've always retested that kind of intermediate term low. we're looking for a little pullback. ultima ultimately, don't fight the fed and don't fight the tape. when i talk to people, you kind of think about it. why isn't it follow the
last year the payroll tax cut, that got extended, scott, on december 23rd. this is going to go right down to december 21st in avoiding the fiscal cliff. don't think anything differently. >> today one of the streets most bullish market watchers is is making a pretty bold prediction saying the s&p 500 is going to rally 17% by the end of next year. tony dwire joins us now. good to have you. >> thanks. >> i'm wondering how you're dealing with your predictions and your...
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it's reasonable to take some profits so you can pay the tax man more now rather than later. it's a wimpy thing, it's logical, makes perfect economic sense. so the stock gets hammered. it makes sense to sell it. but let's be less emotional and even clinical about this one. first, divide apple's share price by ten, now you have a stock that got crushed down to $54. when you do that, it isn't all that scary, is it? where does the pessimism fit in? when we have to endure the pin the tail on the selloff game, what excuses for the selloff myriad alibis i hear from today's action. apple's losing share to google, it doesn't have the right phones in europe, nokia's making a comeback, the mini isn't selling, there's no special dividend, we've got a stock chart that is the -- >> sell, sell, sell, sell! >> excuse me for a moment while i get nauseated. apple went down today because it's a big dollar amount stock and makes a ton of economic sense to ring the register before year-end. why do i always say about apple? own it. shocker. how about citigroup? this company's crushed shareholders
it's reasonable to take some profits so you can pay the tax man more now rather than later. it's a wimpy thing, it's logical, makes perfect economic sense. so the stock gets hammered. it makes sense to sell it. but let's be less emotional and even clinical about this one. first, divide apple's share price by ten, now you have a stock that got crushed down to $54. when you do that, it isn't all that scary, is it? where does the pessimism fit in? when we have to endure the pin the tail on the...
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if we're going off the fiscal cliff, we know capital gains tax rates are going higher, right? right? that's obvious. do you really think the republicans have the power to keep those capital gains rates down? apple's become a referendum on the president's power and polling. right now he has the upper hand, then he can really roll them and intends to do so. it's reasonable to take some profits so you can pay the tax man less now rather than more later. it's a wimpy thing, it's logical, makes perfect economic sense. especially if you hold apple. so the stock gets hammered. it makes sense to sell it. but let's be less emotional and even clinical about this one. first, divide apple's share price by ten, now you have a stock that got crushed down to $54. when you do that arithmetic, it isn't all that scary, is it? where does the pessimism fit in? when we have to endure the pin the tail on the selloff game, what excuses for the selloff, myriad alibis i hear from today's action. apple's losing share to google, it doesn't have the right phones in europe, nokia's making a comeback, the
if we're going off the fiscal cliff, we know capital gains tax rates are going higher, right? right? that's obvious. do you really think the republicans have the power to keep those capital gains rates down? apple's become a referendum on the president's power and polling. right now he has the upper hand, then he can really roll them and intends to do so. it's reasonable to take some profits so you can pay the tax man less now rather than more later. it's a wimpy thing, it's logical, makes...
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going into next year, i think no one will argue taxes are going to go up at some rate. historically, dividend type stocks have underperformed. do you still feel good about them? >> i do. because it's different this time. i mean, it's been well communicated, well documented. everyone knows that that's an issue. in fact, we don't think it's possible the dividend taxes won't rise the amount that's in the law. right? so if you look last week, for example, utilities were the best p performing sector in the market, up 3.35% last week. i think you can get a relief rally if they do change the law. and more over all the the other things that are compelling about them, whether low payout ratios or compelling yield versus the bond market or in fact the most cynical but appropriate reason could be management teams are paying themselves more and more in restricted stock units than options and that is probably for better dividend growth. >> adam, great to have you on the show. welcome you back sometime soon i hope. >> have a great week. >> adam parker from morgan stanley. let's talk
going into next year, i think no one will argue taxes are going to go up at some rate. historically, dividend type stocks have underperformed. do you still feel good about them? >> i do. because it's different this time. i mean, it's been well communicated, well documented. everyone knows that that's an issue. in fact, we don't think it's possible the dividend taxes won't rise the amount that's in the law. right? so if you look last week, for example, utilities were the best p performing...
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cramer loves higher taxes. i'm not into higher taxes. it's obvious that the president is going to stick by this position because he thpgs inks was elected for it and moynihan, i found his comments chilling. pnc thinks that they are saying they don't think we'll go over the cliff. as between pnc and bank of america, i think bank of america has a better handle on things. >> the cliff continuing to affect companies dividend strategies. we have coach, dsw this morning, and now american eagle moving dividend payable dates to this year after oracle announced it will accelerate its fiscal '13 dividend payments into this month. the payout for larry ellison will exceed 1$198 million. when you consider potential tax rates difference, that's serious money. >> real money there where you go up as high as 41%, yeah. from where we are right now, absolutely. the most tax efficient way to deal with dividends is not to have them at all. and actually run real growth companies that don't return anything to shareholders and power everything back into your bu
cramer loves higher taxes. i'm not into higher taxes. it's obvious that the president is going to stick by this position because he thpgs inks was elected for it and moynihan, i found his comments chilling. pnc thinks that they are saying they don't think we'll go over the cliff. as between pnc and bank of america, i think bank of america has a better handle on things. >> the cliff continuing to affect companies dividend strategies. we have coach, dsw this morning, and now american eagle...
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from this complicated tax or these high taxes. it works. >> becky, if it was your commission, simpson/bowles -- >> 11 of the 18 members. >> and we got to handle the fiscal cliff but knowing it goes to 28%, wouldn't you be using this opportunity right now to try and bridge a way to get eventually to simpson/bowles? >> the president was behind simpson/bowles from the beginning. >> because of the 28% and the entitlement cuts. if you were on this commission, you would say the fiscal cliff is much more important, let's figure out a way to handle it but with the end in sight of simpson/bowles. we all know we need to get there. instead of this obsession with the top 2% and 39.6, wouldn't you be spending is your leadership capital trying to get to a simpson/bowles. >> that's the most loaded question you could have possibly asked. >> am i wrong? >> no, i agree with that, i agree with simpson/bowles. >> no one's listening at the white house so i can say whatever i want. >> when we've asked republican leaders they've not embraced simpson/bow
from this complicated tax or these high taxes. it works. >> becky, if it was your commission, simpson/bowles -- >> 11 of the 18 members. >> and we got to handle the fiscal cliff but knowing it goes to 28%, wouldn't you be using this opportunity right now to try and bridge a way to get eventually to simpson/bowles? >> the president was behind simpson/bowles from the beginning. >> because of the 28% and the entitlement cuts. if you were on this commission, you would...
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so right now everybody's debating about tax rates or tax deductions. that's really a side show. >> i agree. >> the main stage here is really how much goes into each of those three buckets and what are we going to do today and what are we going to do tomorrow and how does that work out so that we get a deal by sometime early next year. >> you're talking fiscal abyss. we've got them all together. mine the fiscal cliff is january 1st. your $4 trillion deal is like a simpson-bowles thing. the fiscal abyss, i don't know if we know whether that's going to be a one- or two-step process. >> it should be a two-step process because you can never deal with $4 trillion in two weeks. >> they can spend $4 trillion in two weeks. >> they can and they have. >> and they do. >> yeah. so i think the -- what they need to do, though, right now is everybody keeps talking about the cliff as like here it comes december 31st. the reality is businesses today are acting as if this is going to happen. so this is not whether the dow goes up and down and that's the symbol of whether
so right now everybody's debating about tax rates or tax deductions. that's really a side show. >> i agree. >> the main stage here is really how much goes into each of those three buckets and what are we going to do today and what are we going to do tomorrow and how does that work out so that we get a deal by sometime early next year. >> you're talking fiscal abyss. we've got them all together. mine the fiscal cliff is january 1st. your $4 trillion deal is like a...